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post #51 of 67 Old 08-02-2014, 01:14 PM
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The belt systems do not like going slow or towing anything. That is why a low range would be a must with a belt system. You need to be very careful towing another machine, the belts will stretch and flat spot and nothing more annoying than a vibration from a belt. They also loose performance as they wear, if used as intended they are fine and I agree with toodeep they have come a long way over the years but the basic design is the same, advances in belt material have helped. Like Jcart said they were designed to be cheap and light for snowmobiles. The engine stays at a high rpm and the clutches do the work which is fine for performance but not what I want going slow through the woods.

They are also a high maintenance system, don't let anyone tell you different. The bushings and ramps wear. We got so that we would machine our own bushing from oil impregnated bronze, they say the oil will collect more dirt but we found them better. They would still wear but did not seem to get as much noise from the clutches and seemed smoother. They usually need to be rebuilt every 2000 - 3000 miles to stay at top performance and reliable.

The new wet CVT systems they are starting to use on the cars now are a totally different bird. I do not know enough about them to have an opinion yet. I have an open mind that these new systems may be something that could be adopted for these type machines.

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N.B. Canada is very hard on belts.
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Everywhere is hard on belts. Even my belly is hard on belts. lol



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I have seen guys pulling a loaded gravity wagon around the yard with the machines (a couple hundred bushel of corn is not light).
Um, yea.......200 bu of corn is 11,200lbs plus the weight of the gravity wagon at what? 2000lbs? And that's probably low ball, they are probably heavier. So they are pulling 13,200lbs min around with a quad? Must not be much tongue weight or someone's full of ****.

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I have seen SxS pull big loads on them trailer that have a rear axle and a front axle no tongue weight. I don't know what them trailer are called tho. They are like a wagon you pull kids on. Idk weight's they was pulling but it had to be a good bit. Nevermind that's what yall talking about. lol



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I have seen SxS pull big loads on them trailer that have a rear axle and a front axle no tongue weight. I don't know what them trailer are called tho. They are like a wagon you pull kids on. Idk weight's they was pulling but it had to be a good bit. Nevermind that's what yall talking about. lol
Scott, there are all kinds of gravity wagons some are actually a wagon design like your describing others are a single axle with LOTS of tongue weight. Still even with the wagon design IF it actually is big enough to hold 200bu of corn and IF its full your talking a min of 13,000lbs probably more like 14,500-15,000lbs

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Yea that would be a lot for a SxS. idk what the weights of them are and what the weights of the stuff on them are. here it's mostly hay they carry around on the flatbed wagon trailers.




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It would be the wagons with the front axle so no tongue weight. I'm also talking around the farm yard that would be flat ground, no hills to pull. Once you get it rolling stopping is the next problem. If the tractor was tied up doing other things they use what is handy, I have done it myself. Back in the day before the semi and grain trailer you seen a lot of gravity wagons around being used (all with extensions to hold more). Now days it's hard to find anyone that still uses a straight truck.
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In certain parts of the country that's true, here there are still a lot of straight trucks but 99% are all Diesels now. It's rare to see an old gasser straight truck anymore. The regulations, paperwork, license fee's, ect....... are a much bigger PITA with semi's unless your using them a lot.

I'll never forget hauling onions 15 years ago when there were a lot of old gassers still around, sitting in line waiting to unload. An old gas truck with a board puller on it backs up to the binning station, the driver jumps out with a log in one hand and threw it under the rear tandems to keep it from rolling off That was priceless!

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