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Steering Troubles

Tonight I received my RZR 800 rear shocks and swapped them out for the front shocks in the Pioneer. What a great upgrade.

Unfortunately, on my way back to the pit after making some adjustments, my front right tire wacked a small stump and fully extended the steering to the right. When I got to the open road, the steering wheel was tilted to the left at about 10 O'clock when I was driving in a straight line. I got home and jacked up the front. I put the steering wheel straight. This resulted in the left tire being straight but the right tire being slightly tilted to the right. I couldn't identify any bent parts. I took a look at the microfiche (2014 Honda Pioneer 700-4 (SXS700M4 3AC) STEERING GEAR BOX / TIE ROD | Ronnie's Mail Order) and I noticed part ref # 1. Could this part be deformed causing the misalignment? Or is there some other part that is most likely causing the misalignment?
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I have no idea about what you are asking about. Just was going to tell you there is a guy on the facebook group making new A-Arms for the 700. Froward arched or lower arched. Front and rears. If you did need new a arms.



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Hi Dennis, usually when you bend a tie rod it causes a toe-in condition and it sounds like your describing a toe-out condition but when you say tilted I visualize a camber issue. Could be a bent control arm also.
Are you sure the steering wheel wasn't always off center to begin with? Most all Pioneers come with the steering wheel off center and most of us didn't even notice until someone mentioned it.

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I stand corrected a bent tie rod would cause a toe-out condition on these. I had a brain fart this morning thinking the steering box was in front of the axle.
These type mistakes happen more as you get older .
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I would guess the tie rod is bent just a little also. Loosen the lock nut and try adjusting the wheel straight again. I bet you can see a little bend in it while adjusting it.
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I stand corrected a bent tie rod would cause a toe-out condition on these. I had a brain fart this morning thinking the steering box was in front of the axle.
These type mistakes happen more as you get older .
No problem. Thanks for the response. My brother had a mechanic buddy come over and take a look at it. He said that he thinks that the ball joints are bent. I originally believed it was the tie rod. So, I bought new ball joints, a tie rod, and tie rod end. You can't really determine what is bent until it is out of the machine. Especially a slight bend.

I removed the A-arms and hub. The ball joints don't look bent. I'm not even sure how you could bend a ball joint since it is free to rotate. I'm going to press out the ball joints and remove the tie rod, then compare them to the new ones. I'm hoping I didn't bend an A-arm or A-arm mount. I'll post my findings and maybe some pictures later.
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Hi Dennis, usually when you bend a tie rod it causes a toe-in condition and it sounds like your describing a toe-out condition but when you say tilted I visualize a camber issue. Could be a bent control arm also.
Are you sure the steering wheel wasn't always off center to begin with? Most all Pioneers come with the steering wheel off center and most of us didn't even notice until someone mentioned it.
My steering was fine when new. It was drastically different after I hit the stump. Also, you can see that the front passenger side tire is towed out and the camber has changed (Top is further out).
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My steering was fine when new. It was drastically different after I hit the stump. Also, you can see that the front passenger side tire is towed out and the camber has changed (Top is further out).
It has to be an a arm or mount tie rod only effects tow not caster or camber

Get out the tape measure and start comparing to the other side

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So I measured the A arm mounts on each side of the pioneer and my numbers matched up. I installed upper and lower A arm assemblies, new tie rod, new tie rod end and I still have wacky looking camber angle on the side that was impacted. I switched the front wheels and spun the wheel. No wobble. So it's obviously not the wheel or hub because a bent wheel or hub would be noticeable. The only other thing could be the knuckle. I inspected the knuckle and there were no cracks. Can cast aluminum bend? Should I throw another part at it?
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So did the rzr shocks help low speed trail riding....what yea shocks did u buy?
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