looking forward to your insights. I'm also worried they stepped back in quality. Haven't gotten my hands on one yet.No I don't own but I work on them, we sell them and I have plenty of friends with them to drive around.. lol I get a lot of feedback from what customers want (mostly a touch more speed and a low range) and I have my own thoughts on how they could have improved it. I will defiantly let you know how I feel about the Pioneer though. I'm sure it will be a good machine I just hope Honda didn't step backwards a little to "cheapen" them up.