[redhead]

So from what I've heard Pioneer has front diff lock, and great traction in 2 and 4WD, I've read on some other Pioneer boards that on very steep climbs the locking front diff is needed.

However I havent heard if the Pioneer has a locking rear, which seems natural if they have a locking front, and down right necessary for swamp crawling and other assorted messy fun...

 

[toodeep]

The rear is solid so it's always locked, kind of like the Rincon 4 wheeler which the machine is based after.

The BigRed has the unlocking rear final drive which is nice for tight turns around the yard and the dual rear disk brakes. It locked when the machine was put into 4x4.

 

[OLT]

even going down on a steep incline the locking diff should help
has anyone seen a video showing how much of a difference the locking diff will make on the pioneer? they already put out some videos

 

[hoops]

The front should lock.

The rear no doubt locks.

Correct me if im wrong.

 

[mr.smith]

Excuse me for not knowing what the rear lock diff is. Could someone explain this quickly? Does it really make a big difference?

 

[redhead]

The rear is solid so it's always locked, kind of like the Rincon 4 wheeler which the machine is based after.

The BigRed has the unlocking rear final drive which is nice for tight turns around the yard and the dual rear disk brakes. It locked when the machine was put into 4x4.

I mean permanent lock, a fully locked rear diff chews up the turf when tooling around the yard. Thats what I'm hoping for in the Pioneer something like the Big Red unlocking final drive to keep the turf happy.

 

[toodeep]

The splined sleeve that is pressed in/part of the ring gear is solid. Both of the rear axles slid into the same sleeve so each wheel is going to travel the same.

Driving the Pioneer around the shop you can feel the rear end grabbing when turning where there is no tire slip (concrete floor/asphalt). I don't think it will be really bad for tearing up the yard but I did like the Big Red design better. One thing though when your out turning around with some speed you don't have that one wheel spinning. To be perfect you would need the 2x4/2x4 lock/ 4x4/ 4x4 lock. That starts taking the simplicity out of it so Honda probably made the right move.

 

[redhead]

The splined sleeve that is pressed in/part of the ring gear is solid. Both of the rear axles slid into the same sleeve so each wheel is going to travel the same.

Driving the Pioneer around the shop you can feel the rear end grabbing when turning where there is no tire slip (concrete floor/asphalt). I don't think it will be really bad for tearing up the yard but I did like the Big Red design better. One thing though when your out turning around with some speed you don't have that one wheel spinning. To be perfect you would need the 2x4/2x4 lock/ 4x4/ 4x4 lock. That starts taking the simplicity out of it so Honda probably made the right move.

makes sense, I'll just have to be gentle have you had a chance to drive the pioneer on paved surfaces? how does it behave there? I know you said you had it rolling around the shop but i mean a road or driveway with some speed

 

[toodeep]

Yea I took it down the road (asphalt) and it handles great. Rev limiter kicks in about 44mph on the speedometer (showed 45 once).

 

[hoops]

The splined sleeve that is pressed in/part of the ring gear is solid. Both of the rear axles slid into the same sleeve so each wheel is going to travel the same.

Driving the Pioneer around the shop you can feel the rear end grabbing when turning where there is no tire slip (concrete floor/asphalt). I don't think it will be really bad for tearing up the yard but I did like the Big Red design better. One thing though when your out turning around with some speed you don't have that one wheel spinning. To be perfect you would need the 2x4/2x4 lock/ 4x4/ 4x4 lock. That starts taking the simplicity out of it so Honda probably made the right move.

this is why a limited slip diff might be more suitable.

it stays open at low speeds partial throttle and only locks when torque is senses through big throttle or high speeds.