[mouse4x4]

Is the pioneer package set up with the same gearing as the big red or is it something different. Is the difference still all in the sub transmission or is there more in the final drives

 

[toodeep]

Final drives are the same as the BR. I haven't checked the output gears but I'm pretty sure they are the same also.

They did change the computer so it has 2 different shift points (cruise mode and sport mode) which made a difference in performance. They also increased the speed limiter and tweaked the EFI which made another difference. For being basically the same in the drive line ratios you can tell a difference with the other changes.

 

[DG Rider]

Has Honda ever stated that the output of the Pioneer is the same as the BR?

I know a lot of testers say the Pion seems "peppier". Just wonder if Honda slid in a bit more compression and/or less intake/exhaust restriction and didn't tell us.

 

[toodeep]

I just glanced at the specs on them but everything was looking identical, as far as the motor goes. I didn't check the output gear ratios though but I'm guessing them to be the same also. Those little black boxes can make a machine perform way different without touching the motor though.

 

[mouse4x4]

Thanks for the input am really leaning towards the pioneer i really like the rhinos so it has to be real close in that department. As long as it can turn some 27s an climb some hills i am sold

 

[mouse4x4]

So there is a switch to change shift modes.

 

[Moose]

So there is a switch to change shift modes.

No, it selects the mode by sensing your inputs, there is no physical switch.

 

[mouse4x4]

So if you are raring on it it shifts different then if you are putting around

 

[DG Rider]

I just glanced at the specs on them but everything was looking identical, as far as the motor goes. I didn't check the output gear ratios though but I'm guessing them to be the same also. Those little black boxes can make a machine perform way different without touching the motor though.

I think final ratios are probably the same.

So if you are raring on it it shifts different then if you are putting around

Yes. If you floor it it will rev out (hold a gear) longer and downshift sooner. If you put, it shifts early. My test drives with light throttle had me in 3rd by 18-20 MPH.