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How does the Honda compare to these top dogs?

I was very excited for the Wildcat when it was first released but its far beyond my reach budget wise. The RZR was on my list but I have always been partial to Hondas whenever it came to anything with an engine.
 

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I have my doubts that the Pioneer will be preferred weapon of choice over the RZR.

The Pioneer will have its unique features and advantages but I don't see RZR owners dropping their utvs for the pioneer.
 

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The RZR Arctic Cat and Maverick all seem to be priced much higher. Guess it's not an fair comparison.
 

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The RZR Arctic Cat and Maverick all seem to be priced much higher. Guess it's not an fair comparison.
How much higher? When financing these sometimes the extra cost doesn't make that much of a difference, even when paying full cash.
 

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It should really be compared to the polaris ranger kawasucki teyrex and the rhino or what ever the Yamaha thing if because they are all a hybid between work and play .....if u wanna move to heavy pedals, and race with jumps then judge the maverick, rzr, wildcat, because they are two different classes
 

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It should really be compared to the polaris ranger kawasucki teyrex and the rhino or what ever the Yamaha thing if because they are all a hybid between work and play .....if u wanna move to heavy pedals, and race with jumps then judge the maverick, rzr, wildcat, because they are two different classes
This.... Completely different machines to compare. Mostly depends on the use it would be used for and the "want" you would want from the machine.
 

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I was between the polaris rzr and the pioneer and im a pioneer owner now...the pioneer is a good mix of sport and utility and the price is very reasonable but like other people said their not on the same level
 

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I currently own a Polaris RZR 900 XP that I use for sport riding, and I just bought a Honda Pioneer 4 to use for most everything else.

They are two very different machines and in a way it is like comparing a high performance Mustang to a nice pick-up. The Mustang will easily outperform most pick-ups in the performance category (off road use excluded) but the pick-up is much more versatile.

The RZR will also cost half again as much as the Pioneer, but with that additional cost comes more high performance. However it will not even come close to a Pioneer in utilitarian use. Moreover the Pioneer can still be a recreation vehicle where the RZR is pretty limited to sport riding (it doesn't even have a tow rating).

So it depends on the application, and of course what you can afford. I like them both and use them for what I bought them for.
 

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I will add my 2 cents worth here as well.

I currently own a 2013 RZR 800. This was my first SXS and I got it partially because of its narrower width. I had seen the Honda Big Red in the dealers show room and thought that was the biggest, ugliest machine out there (also thought that about the Ranger and any other SXS. I have since changed my mind regarding the size of the machines.

I will lump all machines, that are belt driven, in one category . By that I mean that RZR and Ranger (both Polaris) are the same. Different uses but essentially the same engine, transmission, etc.

The vast majority of my use for a atv, of any sort, is used for work (slow speed grunt work) and off road pleasure riding. My interest in "pleasure riding" is going slow and seeing things, tuff to see much at 15 or 20 mph compared to 2 to 5 mph. This preference for slow riding demands that any of the belt driven machines be in "low gear" so as to prevent damage to the belt. That is fine but the RPM is up and the machine is noisy. My Honda Rubicon will go slow all day long without a problem if that is what one wants to do. The Rubicon has a transmission drive, 2/4 wheel, low gear, etc. It is set up for just about anything one would want to do. I would like to see the Pioneer with the same transmission setup the Rub. has. Don't know what the cost would be but what a machine that would be.

My personal comparison of the various machines on the market would be how do they work at slower speed and "brute power" demands. The RZR is a find machine but doesn't even start running smooth until about 3000 RPM (I think the 900's are a different story).

I am not sure but I think that all machines, except the Honda, are belt driven and suffer from the same problem (in my opinion) and so my choice would be the Honda Pioneer (I think).

Having said that, I will probably wait until the 2015's come out to see what changes are made before seriously considering making a change.

Jay
 

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I will add my 2 cents worth here as well...........

I will lump all machines, that are belt driven, in one category . By that I mean that RZR and Ranger (both Polaris) are the same. Different uses but essentially the same engine, transmission, etc...................

The vast majority of my use for a atv, of any sort, is used for work (slow speed grunt work) and off road pleasure riding. My interest in "pleasure riding" is going slow and seeing things, tuff to see much at 15 or 20 mph compared to 2 to 5 mph. This preference for slow riding demands that any of the belt driven machines be in "low gear" so as to prevent damage to the belt. That is fine but the RPM is up and the machine is noisy..........Jay
Good points Jay.

I didn't even realize it until I read your post, but I use my Pioneer almost exclusively in the slower applications because of exactly what you pointed out.

It is nicer to drive when high speed isn't necessary or desired. The RZR works there too but the Pioneer, with its automatic trans, is just nicer for cruising around.
 

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Agreed! I was a former Ranger 700, 800 XP owner and I am glad to get rid of the "going slow, better be in low" ritual every time I ride. Bye Bye belt drive.
 

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qualt and bdech15,

Thanks for this input guys.

I haven't even heard the Pioneer run so what I was going on was the way my Rubi operated. It is nice to have people that actually have the machines weigh in on these issues. I am sure that I am not the only one who is considering making a change just for these reasons. I hope there are others that can speak to the noise/power/acceleration, etc in the slower modes.

Jay
 

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I have a Polaris rzr and have found that it will on occasion fail to activate its front wheel drive on steep climbs. A few times this has lead to me having to stop and back down steep slopes or come to a complete stop and then try to start climbing again. At least with the pioneer I know the 4 wheel drive system is ALWAYS going to work when called on. My wife has also commented that the pioneer does not seem to spin it's tires as much when climbing steep hills. It just seems to find traction easier.
 

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I'll provide a little insight as to the Wildcat. Doesn't look like it's been discussed much.

We had a 2013 four seat come in on consignment. The Wildcat is almost a hair trigger. You're either on the gas or you're not. There isn't much in between as far as throttle application. I believe the belt driven trans comes to play a bit in that equation. I think with the power it has on tap couple with the near 20" of suspension travel and a five link rear suspension, the Wildcat is a tool best used in the dunes. But man, they sound awesome and look radical.

We've sold close to ten Pioneers to that one Wildcat.
 

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Wildcat

That makes me think of why I got rid of my 2 stroke Artic Cat snowmobile. It was not a happy camper unless it was screaming down the trail. To keep the speed down you were doing the herky jerky. Would of made a nice chainsaw thou:).
 

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I have the pioneer 500 and the Big Red. I had a 09 Ranger. My dad and son has the 800 RZR, 50".
The RZR is a lot faster, I don't like the speed limiter in the Big Red and Pioneer.
I wish the Big Red had a way to shift manually and the pioneer 500 had a way to put it in automatic. They would both be a lot better with the Rubicon transmission or the 420 AT Rancher transmission.

The Ranger I had was better than my big red in about every way possible, except dependability. I put 4000 mile a year on my machines. The big red has not giving me any problems and the Ranger did. The RZRs are faster, ride better, and have some storage, but I still bought the pioneer 500, I think it will last longer. I have hit the 41 mph speed limiter many times. I wish it was like my rancher and could go up to 50.
So far I have over 200 miles on the pioneer 500, I think it is going to be a real good machine. We use the 50" machines more around where I live because some of the forest trails are made for 50" or less only.
My machines get a work out, They carry 2 people and 8 dogs (hounds) on the rough trails around here.
 

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i owned a Pioneer 700 2 seater, i t was a great work vehicle for around my property, but just didn't stack up to my expectations for trail riding. not enough power, and even though i liked the auto trans, it not well suited for moderate to heavy trail riding. The suspension is terrible as well. Build quality is awesome on the pioneer, and I'm sure it will be dead reliable.

i traded it in on a 14 Arctic Cat Trail 700, 63hp and fox shocks made this thing a treat to ride on the trails, tons of power, great locking diff, and at 50" wide could fit on all the trails. the downside to it in my opinion is the build quality isn't that nice. not that its crap, just some of the materials felt cheap, and i think some things could have been thought out better. though the price point is awesome on the wildcat trail, and at the time, it was the set spec'd 50" wide sxs on the market on paper. unfortunately, it got totaled within a week of ownership, my wife hit a tree on a trail ride and it bent the frame.

the newest purchase is a 14 Can Am Maverick 1000 X XC.. its the 60" wide version. all i can say is holy ****. 101hp its amazing. fox podium x 2.0 reservoir shocks with comp/reb adjustment, the best cockpit on the market, factory beadlocks and 27" bighorn 2.0s, and i got a **** of a deal on it so i felt it was priced right at what i bought it for. the build quality, attention to detail, high end materials is just amazing on this thing. honestly it is probably the nicest sxs on the market. it may not be the fastest or have the best suspension, now that the new RZRs are really upping the anty, but id still choose the can am.

i know this isn't a fair comparison to the pioneer, but i was just giving my take on the ones i have owned. haven't owned a RZR, but i have ridden in my buddies 570 and another friends 800s. both of them love their RZRs, but do talk about the machines flaws as well. the one thing i can say is when i rode in both, they both made a lot of squeaks and noises from the suspension. guess bushings are a big issue on them.

I've heard the wildcat trail, people are already having issues with motor mounts and bushings. Can Am guys talk about weak tie rods. i think every machine will have its issues, pick your poison.

as long as your enjoying your machine, doesn't matter what ya buy.
 

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Just got a 700-4 on saturday. Great machine but it's a lot louder than i expected. Engine and transmission not smooth like my rubicon. Otherwise very capable and plenty power for what i'll use it for. Any one feel the same?
 
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