[Mgcustoms]

Hello all
2017 p1000 with 1600 hrs 17,000 miles
I have seen all posts on forum pertaining to these issues but no solutions reported.
Here we go.
When cold everything is good. After car is warmed up, stalls when you come to a stop. Oil light comes on and code 62 shows up. Put it in park, start it and it’s good till you come to a stop again.
Here is what has been done:
Complete new clutches, orings and split rings
New Orings throughout spacer
New Oil pump with relief valve
Relief valve in oil tank
New strainer in oil pan.
New updated solenoid cover
All passages in spacer, oil cooler, solenoid valve body cleaned extremely well.
All grounds cleaned
New oil (Honda 10/30 and filters)
New EOP sensors
New ECM
Tried to preform clutch initialize and it won’t complete.
Shows high oil pressure when shifting out of first to second.
Any and all comments would be appreciated.
Thank you very much
Mike

 

[Mark from Northern Iowa]

Stalling when coming to a stop is usually shift control motor, or neutral safety switch problem.
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More then that, here is a link to a thread with a Honda Technician News Letter that might help.
2016-2017 SXS1000M (Pioneer) Clutch Slipping Common Issues - Repair Tips
Post # 10
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And here are 3 VERY good information threads about our Honda clutches

• Official Pioneer 1000 Clutch Update!
• Importance of engine cleaning after clutch failure
• Honda Pioneer 1000 Clutch Replacement - A How To Guide!

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Reading through them, you may come across something you missed.
I am hoping you will quickly find one of those, "AHHA, or OH SHIT! I forgot that" moments.
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Let us know what you find, maybe it will help someone else.
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Have a good day

 

[Mgcustoms]

Good morning Mark
Thank you for your reply. Shortly I will review everything you sent to me. I knew you would respond. Was wondering if you were going to mention shift motor. To your knowledge, does the shift motor have anything to do with clutch initialization??
Thank you
Mike

 

[Mark from Northern Iowa]

Mike,
"Does the shift control motor have anything to do with clutch initialization? "
To my understanding, the clutch relearn is all internal.
No lever movement after the initial clutch relearn request.
No changing of gears.
So, I would say no to the question.
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I made up this card to have on my phone.

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If we break that down, the first part is telling/requesting the computer we want to do a clutch relearn.
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Clutch Relearn
Normal operating temp, Ignition key on
Accelerator pedal
- down - up
- down - up
- down and hold
Shift lever
- L (low) - P (park)
- L (low) - P (park)
Release accelerator
“-“ , "MT” and “AT” is displayed
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Start engine
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This part, I would say the fluid pressure is pushing the plates and the sensors pick up where the plates are at. The plates wear, so the system has to have a way to calibrate with that wearing.
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idle approx 60 seconds
When “-“ , "MT” and “AT” disappear
Stop engine
Turn on ignition key
P (park) displays
DONE
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Do I know for sure that is how it works, nope. haha sorry haha
But my general mechanical knowledge tells me that's how it should work.
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I do clutch relearns often.
Since 19Oct2021 when I bought "Wild Blue", here is my clutch relearn dates.
23NOV21, 26JUL22, 08AUG22, 19OCT22, 26DEC22
After a good long ride, or for sure at operating temp, if I remember. haha
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Have a good day

 

[Mgcustoms]

Mark
Thank you
I have seen all this information. I removed and cleaned everything up to case!!
Even replaced all oil seals in spacer. I have gone further than even Honda says to do. As of right now, I know of 3 cars here with this problem. Here are my thoughts
Shift valve or valves bad
Solenoid shift valve bad
Or wire harness to all of these.
something is failing and allowing the oil pressure to build between shifting.
Honda says the emergency valve could be a cause, but I can’t wrap my head around how this would be it.
This also has to do with the initiation not completing I would think.
Mike

 

[Mark from Northern Iowa]

I was reading through this thread
Replaced clutches and still slips between shifts
I thought it had alot of good clutch information.
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Well, that's about it for my knowledge on the subject.
I would say go to the website that I referenced above about the clutch information.
They have a few good Honda Techs that help out often also.
Over there, do an introduction first and then start a new thread with your problem.
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Have a good day